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The Wall
Today,
the 23rd of February
2004, the International Court of Justice at
The
Hague starts hearings on the legality of the Wall that is being built in the
West Bank. To the Palestinians, the construction of the Wall inside the
occupied territories is another illegal act of occupation, which not only grabs
more Palestinian lands but also denies Palestinians basic human rights. To the
Israelis the Wall is called a security fence, which is being built to protect
the citizens of Israel.
What is your opinion?
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| Feb 23, 2004 at 05:35:58 |
Peter (pe.schaefer@web.de)
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The wall grabs land. But unfortunately, this is only
obvious to people living inside the occupied territories. I suggest the
reason for this is a failure of respective public relations efforts. It
started much too late and there are still many mistakes, i.e. the childish
comparison with the Berlin Wall and the German-German border strip. This
still does a lot of harm to all the efforts. The GDR fences/walls were built
on territory of the GDR, and this is what everybody knows. Therefore, nobody
outside Palestine understands why the Israeli wall grabs land.
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| Feb 23, 2004 at 06:42:28 |
Rev. Martin Zimmann (pastorz@dundee.net)
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This wall is nothing more than an attempt on the part of
the Israelis to give themselves a sense of security, but in reality, it is
counterproductive. It will only escalate the extremism and thwart plans for
peace and harmony. My heart goes out to my Palestinian brothers and sisters
whose lives have been disrupted by this incursion into their world. I pray
also for the victims of violence on both sides of the wall. As Bishop Younan
has said, "Violence is the tool of the incompetent."
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| Feb 23, 2004 at 06:47:50 |
Bob May (bobmay99@yahoo.com)
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The Israeli separation wall is more about resource-taking
than security. If it were about security, it would be built along the Green
Line -- making it twice as short, at half the cost, and easier to patrol.
Instead, the path offers the Israelis land which gives really nice access to
water supplies in the West Bank. But I also think the Israelis have every
legal right to build a wall or fence ON THEIR OWN LAND -- even if it's not
very neighborly.
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| Feb 23, 2004 at 07:49:02 |
Elaine R. Johnson (ejohns11@rocherster.rr.com)
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The wall should never have been. The violence on both
sides needs to stop. The world needs to recognize that the actions of Israel
are and have been violence perpetrated upon the Palestinian victims, and
that settlements, curfews, killings, home demolitions - all need to end in
order for there to be peace. So, too, the violence perpetrated by
Palestinian extremists must stop - it only serves to perpetuate the
victimization.
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| Feb 23, 2004 at 07:53:55 |
Gretchen Leppke (GLeppke@aol.com)
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The wall is THE MOST horrific thing. It MUSt be
demolished, It is a land grab, It is illegal and it certainly is inciting
more violence It is NOT making israel secure,but insecure. With this wallit
makes it easier for Israel to get all the land and get rid of all the
Palestinians like they really want.::The israelis have completely lost their
moral compass::
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| Feb 23, 2004 at 08:37:02 |
Chris (cekreider@adelphia.net)
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Building this wall seems a desperate attempt by Israel to
keep the future at bay -- a future in which there will have to be a
resolution of the conflict between a hard-line group of Israelis and an
equally resolute (pigheaded) group of Palestinians. Meanwhile, those who
suffer most are the innocent on both sides. ::::This visible, tangible fence
makes obvious the control Israel exerts over Palestinian life -- a control
that has not allowed the security Israel craves. Isn't it time to try
something different?
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| Feb 23, 2004 at 08:41:50 |
Dottie Villesvik (vilsvkalan@aol.com)
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THE WALL MUST GO! IT CAN'T BE A SECURITY FENCE! ONE COULD
ALWAYS "TERRORIZE" OVER IT. IT JUST ANTOGONIZES ANYONE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
THE OCCUPATION MUST GO!
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| Feb 23, 2004 at 09:08:34 |
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the wall is another excuse for israel to swallow more
land and end the dream of a palestenian state
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| Feb 23, 2004 at 09:33:57 |
Marilyn G. Mason (grinmarilyn@comcast.net)
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At the very least, the wall, if it must be there, should
follow the green line that I've read about. It seems very unfair and unjust
to have that wall set up where Palestinians can't get back and forth from
their homes to their places of work without having to deal with Israeli
soldiers.
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| Feb 23, 2004 at 10:12:34 |
Anthony N. Hazboun (antonh@p-ol.com)
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The Palestinians should stop using violence against
civilians so as not to give Sharon the pretext of erecting the wall. So far
all the suicidal acts have played to the benefit of Israel pure and
simple.::A strategy should be found to fight against this wall of Apartheid.
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| Feb 23, 2004 at 10:18:18 |
Angela Renecker (aingealkim@yahoo.com)
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The wall stands in the way of peace between Palestinians
and Israelis. It denies many Palestinians the right of access to their jobs,
fields, olive groves, and extended families. It may give Israelis a false
sense of security. Visually, it reminds me of the Berlin Wall. To call an 8
ft. high concrete wall guarded by security towers and razor wire a "security
fence" is a gross understatement. There cannot be any hope of peace without
justice.
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| Feb 23, 2004 at 10:56:47 |
Del Leppke (mideastwgchgo@aol.com)
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Had the wall/fence been built on the Israeli side of the
1967 armistice boundary line one might have felt that it was for security
purposes. Being built well into the Palestinian side, often making it a
barrier to Palestinians trying to reach their farms, shops, schools, etc.,
its purpose must be harassment and land grab NOT SECURITY. While attending a
talk by the Israeli Consul General here in Chicago, I asked whether, when
the barrier is completely built, it was Israel's intention to eliminate all
the check points within the areas surrounded by the barrier so that
Palestinians could move freely within that area. Although he implied that
that was Israel's intent in the long range, he equivicated about the near
term. I believe that is issue that must be stressed - if the wall/fence is
truly meant to be the "separation barrier" then why doesn't Israel fully
agree to remove all the checkpoints within the area surrounded by the
barrier.
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| Feb 23, 2004 at 11:45:08 |
Galen L. Gockel (mgockel@juno.com)
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Agree with today's postings, particularly that of a Bob
May and Del Leppke. Do you know of the website of the Foundation for a
Middle East Peace, www.fmep? It is top notch, authoritative and balanced,
giving detailed reports and analyses of the occupation. One of its officers,
G. Aronson, was here in the Chicago area this week. He would be an excellent
speaker for other local groups in the U.S. His contacts in the West Bank and
Gaza are amazing.::Galen L. Gockel, Oak Park, IL
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| Feb 23, 2004 at 12:23:23 |
Dr. Robert Walters (revbobwalt@aol.com)
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The Israeli Wall is a land and water grab, just like the
colonization (settlements) that have been built since 1967. The U.S.
goverment says it's all wrong, but does nothing but send more subsidy. The
process is decaying the soul of the modern State of Israel while denying the
message of the biblical prophets.
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| Feb 23, 2004 at 13:44:59 |
Ulrich Sahm (ulrich@sahm.com)
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If the wall which is 95 Percent a fence, will stop the
extremist suicide bombers, which are condemmed by the palestinian leaders,
it obviously is a psoitive move, because then the palestinian leaders would
not need to condemn anymore act they condemn. ::::If these attacks on
israeli civilians are part of the palestinan strategy then i do not
understand, why Arafat and Kureia condemn these attacks, as on the bus in
Jerusalem a day ago, which killed numerous pupils, minors on their way to
school.
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| Feb 23, 2004 at 16:58:30 |
Carole Ryden (dunord3023@mchsi.com)
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I hope that the Court finds that the barrier wall is
illegal. I hope this whole process brings to light all of the international
laws which Israel has been violating far too long. I hope that the U.N. and
nations all over the world speak with one voice to condemn the apartheid
tactics in which Israel engages.
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| Feb 23, 2004 at 20:42:56 |
Rev. Mark Van House (vanhouse@juno.com)
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As a pastor in the ELCA - Evangelical Lutheran Church of
America - we have a social statement on both Israel and the Palestinian
occupied lands. The wall being built is not one of protection but of
division and isolation. It goes against our ELCA justice policies concerning
both parties involved. It is a biblical matter of injustice counter to such
directives as Micah 6:8. The wall has a serious socioeconomic impact upon
those in the occupied territories and further inhibits Jewish - Christian -
Islamic dialogues. Having visited and spoken at the Christmas Lutheran
Church of Bethlehem [Feb. 1997] I have a personal concern for Dr. Pastor
Raheb and his congregation and the people of Bethlehem. This wall brings
added hardship to the citizens of Bethlehem, especially Christians residing
in the traditional birth place of Jesus. This wall does not further peace on
earth or good will to all.
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| Feb 24, 2004 at 02:07:20 |
Elie |
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israelis are the promised people and they are entited to
whatever they see proper to keep them the strongest and most protected
nation not only in the middle east but also in the whole world. Long live
Israel ::
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| Feb 24, 2004 at 06:45:39 |
Carolyn Karl (karlbury@tnaccess.com)
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Walls are not good for friendship but it may serve the
purspose of allowing for a "cool off" period to allow time and quietness to
listen to God's guidance.
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| Feb 24, 2004 at 07:33:29 |
Albert Asfour (asfour@cac.net)
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The wall is another tool that Israel is using to further
fragment the Palestinians and their hopes for a home. ::The wall and the
illegal settlements are a hindrance to peace. A wish shared and desired by
most Palestinians and Israeli.::
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| Feb 24, 2004 at 09:43:57 |
Kent Spriggs (kspriggs@spriggslawfirm.com)
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The wall is intolerable and will prevent an ultimate
peaceful and just solution.::::A Christian in Tallahassee FL,::Kent Spriggs
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| Feb 25, 2004 at 13:53:27 |
Sr. Rachel A. Mueller (ram_mueller@hotmail.com)
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I've personally seen the "security fence." And I've stood
with men, women and children in protest against the bulldozers that were
tearing out their ancestral olive trees to expand the fence. "Fence" is a
misnomer of the most understated kind. I saw sobbing old men and women
prostrate on the ruts and upheavel of their once productive and beautifully
kept groves. They could not be comforted.::::The wall does not keep out
those who intend harm to the Israelis; but it does effectively keep
Palestinian men and women from their fields, jobs, and families, and
children from their education and religious rights. ::::The wall is a
massive wound that cuts deeply into the heart of the Palestinian people.
Those of us who have seen it are aghast that in this the 21st century such
things are still being done in the name of justice and freedom; and except
for a few Internationals who place their lives on the line, the world sits
idly by waiting to see what Sharon's next move will be. ::::To those of you
my friends in the nation of Israel and the occupied territories of
Palestine, I say: You are in my heart, in my prayers, and in my work for a
just and free Palestine and a just and free Israel. To that end I commit my
time and my efforts in the future.::::Your Friend, Sister Rachel Mueller,
member of the Deaconess Community of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in
America.
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| Feb 25, 2004 at 14:15:38 |
The Observer |
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It seems, you Ulrich Sahm, have got your statistics
somewhat mixed up. The wall is definitely NOT 95% fence; and even if it
were, it is still enclaving a whole population of 3.5 million in a large
open-air prison--a population that is striving for a little bit of freedom
on its own land occupied by Israel. ::As for the suicide attack on Sunday,
notwhithstanding the fact that it is not 100% justifiable, I wonder what
response you have with regard to the tens of Palestinian civilians--many of
them "minors on their way to school" too--killed on a weekly basis by the
brutal bloodthirsty Israeli soldiers who are in a land that does not belong
to them in the first place?::Plus, before making any argument, get your
information straight because following is a list of those killed in the
attack as compiled by the Jerusalem Post on 23/02/2004 NOTICE THAT THE
MAJORITY ARE NOT "PUPILS AS YOU CLAIM, Mr. journalist:::"The victims of the
attack were identified as Lior Azulai, 18, a senior at Jerusalem's Gymnasia
Rehavia high school; St.-Sgt. Natanel Havshush, 20; Benayahu Jonathan
Zuckerman, 18, a senior at Jerusalem's Experimental High School; Yuval Ozana,
32, of Jerusalem; Ilan Avisidris, 41; Yafe Ben-Shimon; and Yehuda Haim, 47,
of Jerusalem [...] The eighth victim of the attack was identified Monday as
Rahamiam Rami Duga, 38, from Mevasseret Zion."::
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| Feb 26, 2004 at 23:25:08 |
Jake Lynch (jake@reportingtheworld.org.uk)
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There is an issue here for the media, including
international media. It is still the case that our reporting of the conflict
is dominated by incidents of violence. We very seldom illuminate any issues
of structural violence, or show how the experiences of everyday life may be
incubating violence. In that sense the most salient fact is the occupation.
The way a problem is diagnosed, in news reporting, influences what can be
presented, by media-savvy governments, as an appropriate remedy. Diagnose
the problem as 'wicked suicide bombers' and a wall, which happens to extend
and exacerbate the occupation, can be seen as a 'solution'. Report the
structural violence as the problem, and the solution, if it is to be seen as
such, must be based on removing that. In other words, we, the media, have
contributed to the wall with persistent War Journalism. What is needed is
more Peace Journalism. ::Jake Lynch, co-director, Reporting the World - a
journalism think-tank, www.reportingtheworld.org.uk
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| Feb 28, 2004 at 17:29:42 |
Carole Ryden (dunord3023@mchsi.com)
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The Wall must go and so must the Israeli presence until
the illegal occupiers are behind the 1967 borders.
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| Feb 29, 2004 at 11:11:51 |
nas |
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i belive israel purely wants to steal palestinian land
and expand their aim for greater israel. it is a shame that the internationl
community just ignores this matter and allows it to happen. i dont think
no-one will be able to stop israel from building this wall because they have
powerful partners working in the u.s goverment to support them in making
this crime against humanity come true.
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| Feb 29, 2004 at 11:42:54 |
nas |
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just like to add that most of present day israeli's are
from european decent, whom their ancestors happen to convert to the jewish
religion. european jews have no right to steal land to live in israel .
therefore, palestinians should not be forced to leave or become refugees in
their own native land. we must remember palestinians are semetic people and
european jews aren't, so isreal must be returned to the semetic people of
all the three faith and then if the semetic people want to allow other
nationalities to live in their country then it is up to them to make the
choice.
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| Mar 1, 2004 at 16:13:40 |
Cindy L Price (clprice@power-net.net)
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I am horrified and am reminded of the wall that
surrounded and created the Warsaw ghetto.
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| Mar 15, 2004 at 04:24:33 |
Edgar Fahmüller (edgar.fahmueller@gmx.de)
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This wall is a totally illegal act of occupation by the
Israel Gouvernment.::On this way Israel can not make more security for their
citizens.
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| Mar 15, 2004 at 23:47:08 |
DAVID (davidmunoz@mail.com)
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THE WALL... Represents a business partnership between the
Isreali and Palestian governments. It basically allows the Isrealis to bluff
there way to grabbing more land, and it allows the Palestinian government to
claim foul play thereby apealling to the international community for
financial assistance and also more hatred to Isreal. The problem in that
region can be taken care of in five minutes if the so called friends of
Palestine would just go in and eradicate all of these so called Martyrs (hamas,
etc..) so it can stop Isreal from continuing to blame their occupation on
terrorism.
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